Inside Quixtar

Beth,

Doesn't it seem a little hypocritical complaining about some other scheme while Amway Quixtar itself operates what many other countries call the American Scam?  Why not warn consumers about the scam that has the same

potential to wipe out one's financial future.

Editor's Note:  Quixtar North America/Amway Global offers a low-cost, low-risk business opportunity with a customer satisfaction guarantee and one that's offered opportunity to millions worldwide. To compare our business to identity theft is an inaccurate mischaracterization, regardless of your opinion of the business. 

Speaking of the BBB, if I run into one more prospect that is really t'd off because of the curiosity invitation I'll be contacting the BBB myself and request they force A/Q and other "direct selling/in home businesses" to be up front about the business oportunity and company name before a prospect goes to a preview. We need to hear from the corp that the curiosity invitation is not acceptable and against the rules. I'm not talking about prospecting and just getting to know someone. I'm talking about a deceptive business preview invitation. It's not hard to tap dance around the company name and convince a prospect that is't not really A/Q and it's not really selling etc or it's a bottled water business meeting.

Why spend millions on the "Transformation" and not stop the very behavior that has caused the problem in the first place. Didn't A/Q learn anything from the UK situation! Isn't it true that a ABO there must tell a prospect up front that the business is Amway?

Not addressing this issue immediately is a very clear indication that A/Q favors this type of practice in the US.

Beth,

Quixtar may offer everything you told QIAC on post #1, but the upline, having a VERY different agenda, have been allowed to make your statement false. You are "playing the fiddle while Rome burns" with your response. It is well documented most of the profit for the upline comes from tools, not Quixtar. Not only is this a gross misrepresentation of the business opportunity, but there is significant evidence many IBO's don't turn a net profit until they reach the Platinum level, making it unadvisable to take the advice of the upline, as taking the uplines' recommendations merely creates dozens of additional IBO's with a net loss in order to attain the Platinum level.

graniteman,

I see no issue with the curiosity approach, within limits.

For example, I don't have to use the words "Amway/Quixtar" as I initially approach someone with the business opportunity. The A/Q name should be used while showing the marketing plan, unlike what I witnessed last year while attending several TEAM Opens and a Seminar, where the A/Q word wasn't used a single time. In fact, every impression was given that Orrin was in charge of everything, such as making deals with XS Energy.

However, inviting a prospect to dinner, a party, etc., and then springing the marketing plan on them is quite a different matter, and should NOT be done. The above is in accordance with the rules.

Plus, the "Amway" name has been so damaged by those who make most of their profit on tools, the relatively few of us doing things the right way are forced to use this technique. I would prefer not to have to do this, but until/unless the reputation is changed (which won't happen by advertising, but by doing as the UK has already done, getting rid of the ridiculously high and "secret" tool profits), this is the best method for contacting.

I wonder if times are getting tougher in Amway-land with the loss/resignation/termination of so many high level distributors. Of course, free markets are that way, aren't they?  Of course they are tough,  and sometimes there are people who get carried away.  But we should make no mistake, tough times almost always result from poor choices leaders make.  

Beth,

An earlier poster writes that the upline has a different agenda than Amway. It amazes me how someone who's not even building this business and doesn't even know how all the LOA's work can make such a blanket statement about ALL upline! I for one have the same agenda as the corporation. Help my downline build a huge Amway Global business!

I also appreciate your response to QIAC. I know you want to be transparent and allow everyone a voice, but its obvious these so called "critics" don't even understand how the business works.

visioneer...

You obviously do not know how the business really works because you fallen for the con job.  The opportunity you are involved in is really your opportunity to be fleeced like a sheep by both the company and the TOOL SCAM kingpins.  The sooner you get out the quicker you cut your loses.  AMSCAM will extract more millions from tax payers this year than any petty jury duty scam.  Some years from now after you see the light, you may remember that I warned you.  

visioneer, how would you know whether I'm building the business?

If your LOA works differently, have them post their differences for us to view.

It doesn't matter what your agenda is, you are a very small fish in a very big pond.

If what happened in the UK happened here in the U.S., you would be thrown in the same net as the big fish.

QIAC does have some misconceptions, fortunately we have been visiting online and on the telephone to educate him on what the real problems are, not the "theoretical" ones.

Tex,

You didn't read my post carefully. I did say that simply approaching someone is different than inviting someone to take the time to come and hear about a business. Getting to know someone is ok, but far to many people are very offended when they end up at a preview only to find out then that it's A/Q. To continue on this path is ongoing proof to the general public that we are ashamed of this business and still  operating in a deceptive manner. We can't change our image until we change our business model and training.

You are right on about the bad reputation situation. One of the main reasons is the curiosity invitation. It makes not sense for the corp to pour millions into image repair and not do away with this one of the major causes.

I've been in the business for over 30 years, built to the ruby and acheiver level without a system or using the curiosity invitation so I can say from experience that it can be done. For you and others to continue as you are only prolongs the problems we are trying to overcome!  

doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results is insanity!

Tex,

Please read your post on June 9 on "Cool Opportunities" that said you aren't sponsoring anyone.

Thanks for talking to qiac, hopefully we'll see some differences in his/her posts.

qiac,

I've had a profitable Amway Global business for over a decade and know much more about this business than you do. All you are is an outsider looking in and trying come across as an "expert". Your posts simply prove how little you really know about this business and your agenda to cast a bad light on anything this company does.

This business isn't perfect, but it's still the best! Just like America isn't a perfect nation, but it's still the best!

graniteman said:

July 16, 2008 11:10 PM | #

Amway Business Owners must never charge you for books, tapes, CDs, website access or other types of published materials or services, and they are only permitted to promote Amway’s authorised materials.  You can obtain a list of available materials – and their cost – from Amway.

For all you tool scammers! The above comes from the "support and training" portion of the Amway UK Web site. Your days of tool and so called support ripoffs in the US are numbered...applause please!

Amway, when forced, has huge resources to support all IBO's and soon, more correctly, ABO's. 7.2 billion/year is a lot of BLING! They have already made system support  in other countries look like a dog and pony show! And best of all, Amway support is legal, inexpensive and geared to actually create a balanced profitable business. All we need to add is the work ethic

Back to the post...

I've been saying "common sense isn't common anymore" for over 20 years.  Yet it still blows my mind that somebody would give out their personal information to a blind call into their home.  In fact, I called an old friend of mine the other day.  We haven't spoken on the phone for several years, though we still write.  Her son doesn't know me, but he gave me her cell number.  It blew my mind that in today's scam ridden society that he would just give me this information.

I'm extremely thankful for the opportunity that Quixtar North America has offered me.  I would have no way to own a traditional business.  Plus, I prefer this opportunity to the pyramid scheme that I've been involved in with having a JOB for all these years.